tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post111894413058436785..comments2023-05-29T05:02:03.465-06:00Comments on The executive: Adventures in AmwayBenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16341997647734286199noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1121449305568881002005-07-15T11:41:00.000-06:002005-07-15T11:41:00.000-06:00Thanks for the suggestion, Jeff! I have consequen...Thanks for the suggestion, Jeff! I have consequently had a lot of free time and a little money from teaching exotic dance to the elderly on a tarp in my back yard and have gotten involved with a new cause to help protect the earth from destruction using a number of convenient and time-saving techniques while make lots of money at the same time. What would you say if I told you that you could make twice, three times, or even 4 TIMES as much money as you are making RIGHT NOW in your CURRENT JOB and at the same time doing something that you can be proud of because it actually benefits mankind? You would be interested, right? Boy, I sure would be. If you are not a crazy idiot or an uneducated fool and would like a bigger house or some nicer cars or more cars, then read on!<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>You were selected from a small group of people who were selected individually and chosen or selected on the basis of your talent and intelligence that is greater than the talent and/or intelligence of others that could have been selected but were not. <BR/><BR/>I wanted to let you all know about a new multilevel money making opportunity I have gotten involved with recently. It is kind of like futures, high speed internet, voice over IP, and keychain flashlights all rolled into one huge three pound colon popping breakfast burrito of wealth generating bling bling! Get in early while top positions are still available. This is guaranteed to be a HOT HOT opportunity that you won’t want to miss because if you do you will be the only one not driving a Porsche or a Lamborghini in your new Armani suit. Please visit<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>http://www.carbonreclamationproject.org <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>and be sure to visit the forums. I have a few posts there of my own!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1121295438284337672005-07-13T16:57:00.000-06:002005-07-13T16:57:00.000-06:00Jeff, that sounds exciting if not promising. As yo...Jeff, that sounds exciting if not promising. As you well know, some of the most meaningful moments in my life were conducted with trombone-playing gorillas in the background. <BR/><BR/>I have been working on a website for the Bean Society, as I'm sure dozens of members also have. There is clearly an eagerness for a reunion. And given the current world climate, I think you will agree that we and the world needs this reunion.<BR/><BR/>For starters: <BR/>Black tie<BR/>Possibly Waldorf Astoria<BR/>trombone-playing gorillas<BR/>Other ideas?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16341997647734286199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1121102693562799412005-07-11T11:24:00.000-06:002005-07-11T11:24:00.000-06:00So when is the Bean Society Reunion going to take ...So when is the Bean Society Reunion going to take place? I'm not going to commit to it now, but I might, <I>might</I>, be able to get BYU's trombone professor and the trombone section from the Utah Symphony in gorilla suits to play something really cool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119623812615897022005-06-24T08:36:00.000-06:002005-06-24T08:36:00.000-06:00Dood, my lack of salesmanship is more alive than e...Dood, my lack of salesmanship is more alive than ever with these snow cones. When someone comes up and wants one I am great, but I feel dirty soliciting people to buy when they probably don't like sno cones. I guess any time you make the customer or potential customer uncomfortable for your own gain that is what I dislike. I try not to make things too uncomfortable around the sno shack. I frankly if someone wants a sno cone I sell the best you can get. They really are good. I can promise you I would not be selling them if I thought they were nasty. People can read me like a book.Salemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430040871898663311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119586756177022332005-06-23T22:19:00.000-06:002005-06-23T22:19:00.000-06:00So that's why everyone should be in the business o...So that's why everyone should be in the business of a product they can stand behind, like, for example, snow cones.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16341997647734286199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119582913821368272005-06-23T21:15:00.000-06:002005-06-23T21:15:00.000-06:00I think that's the whole point. They are not inher...I think that's the whole point. They are not inherently bad. But when the focus changes from selling some product to "I want to make money even if it mean manipulating you" then its bad. But that is true of business in general. If someone tries to sell me something I do not want or need I get angry. I struggle selling things I do not believe in for that very reason. MLM's are okay for some, but if I want you join so that it helps me, something is wrong.Salemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430040871898663311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119573513776365712005-06-23T18:38:00.000-06:002005-06-23T18:38:00.000-06:00Some (possibly) good things about MLMs:The friend ...Some (possibly) good things about MLMs:<BR/><BR/>The friend who had the slick idea was our neighbor. We didn't talk much, he wasn't a very social person at the time. This MLM he is involved in has really opened him up to other people. It is both greatly pleasing and disturbing. I loved talking with him, and we talked more than we ever had before. But this all got re-configured when I saw the situation as manipulative. But I can imagine this manipulative aspect subsiding--maybe he decides to stop doing the MLM, or he gives up on me as a potential down-line man, or I no longer sense I'm being used--and he retains this new vibrant, social personality.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16341997647734286199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119540835525091782005-06-23T09:33:00.000-06:002005-06-23T09:33:00.000-06:00At first I thought you were quoting Homer the gree...At first I thought you were quoting Homer the greek philosopher. . . Is hould have know better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119534926685501262005-06-23T07:55:00.000-06:002005-06-23T07:55:00.000-06:00I agree, it seems like too many MLM's are based ou...I agree, it seems like too many MLM's are based out of Provo. I think part of it because mormies tend to want to have a parent at home, and hey if you can work at home, and live in this HUGE house, WOW! I also like how on the ward rosters it says it should only be used for church purposes.<BR/>Also, mormies stick together, I think more than other organizations. Church lifestyle just fits the profile of someone who wants to do Amwayesque stuff. <BR/><BR/>Homer: "I know I've had get rich quick schemes before Marge, but I am sure to get rich off this scheme, and quick!"Salemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430040871898663311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119533902592586432005-06-23T07:38:00.000-06:002005-06-23T07:38:00.000-06:00We did! But I am still curious as to why mormons s...We did! But I am still curious as to why mormons seem to get caught up in this stuff so easily? Maybe they are just a cross cut of society in general but it feels like something more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119495608747717012005-06-22T21:00:00.000-06:002005-06-22T21:00:00.000-06:00Rachel, yes Charles Ponzi is the where that refere...Rachel, yes Charles Ponzi is the where that reference came from. Quickstar is now the name of Amway. If I might quote my dad "Don't walk away, run!"Salemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430040871898663311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119451699006115422005-06-22T08:48:00.000-06:002005-06-22T08:48:00.000-06:00Paul and I have been approached more than once abo...Paul and I have been approached more than once about Amway, which by the way has changed their name but use the whole "doin' diamonds" thing and so are still easy to recognize. I agree that making money off your friends isn't inherantly bad, mostly because because I sit at home all day and watch Paul's sweet cash fall into my lap. Actually I don't agree with that at all. I think the whole idea behind these companies is "What can I get from you and how fast can I get it. And if you can't give me what I want you will probably never hear from me again." We lived in a ward recently with a couple of very gung ho marketeers. They not only stole two hours of our lives and then threatended to take over our Thanksgiving weekened and steal from 3 of my brothers. But also, without remorse of any kind they call telling me they have an emergency and need my to watch thier 6 boys. Two of wich were 4 and 1/2 and still in diapers. It turned out that they were off to a convetion in Florida. NOT COOL! It's not just the way they view money but everything and everyone around them.<BR/>Why do Mormons get so caught up in this?<BR/>Is Ponzi who people refer to when they say they have some swampland in Florida to sell?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119398599350188992005-06-21T18:03:00.000-06:002005-06-21T18:03:00.000-06:00Charles Ponzi found that you could buy french stam...Charles Ponzi found that you could buy french stamps for less than face value here in the US. He came up with the idea to buy a bunch of stamps and take them to France and sell them pocketing the difference. He promised people he would double their money in only 90 days. It turned out that the cost to transfer the stamps to France was the amount the stamps were discounted. But he still had investors giving him money. Person A gives him $10,000, then he takes person B's $10,000 to pay off person A. Person C sees person A and wants in. He takes person C's money and pays off person B, etc. So he really has no product he just is using other people's money to pay the investors. <BR/>It was the first Pyramid Scheme! These are now illegal so you will never hear people call them such, so will actually turn the pyramid upside down to prove that its <B>not</B> a pyramid. Google "ponzi scheme" to learn more.<BR/>Ponzi later sold people land in Florida that was swampy and underwater. He was a crook, and people will now refer to cheating investments as Ponzi Schemes.Salemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430040871898663311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119387482923341542005-06-21T14:58:00.000-06:002005-06-21T14:58:00.000-06:00What is a Ponzi scheme?What is a Ponzi scheme?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16341997647734286199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119387420295303372005-06-21T14:57:00.000-06:002005-06-21T14:57:00.000-06:00Are your two selections based on a belief that the...Are your two selections based on a belief that they both offer quality products and so promoters tend to focus on the products, and not on their potential to make a killing?<BR/><BR/>I agree that MLMs are not inherently evil. The closest I came to joining one was one that offered discounted cold cereal--this was appealing because it was focused on the product, I could just buy cold cereal for cheap. Of course there were subtle encouragements to get friends involved and make money off them, and that suaded me away. Then the whole scheme was found corrupt. Wow, I didn't even mention this one in my original post. So I clearly have a skewed view. In my limited experience, MLMs do tend to foster a kind of love of money, and a disturbing lens through which to see the world and other people--as personal wealth makers. I imagine if we were to get technical, things would get complicated: Obviously a network is important in doing business. Clearly quality products are important. <BR/><BR/>But let's not lose sight of the entertainment value that MLMs provide. I love that I have had these funky stories with weird people all because of MLMs.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16341997647734286199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13178169.post-1119379324793242072005-06-21T12:42:00.000-06:002005-06-21T12:42:00.000-06:00So I attended a meeting once where we dicussed wha...So I attended a meeting once where we dicussed what a "Ponzi scheme" actually was. We also discussed what made certain businesses crooked and why Multi-level marketing was not inherently bad. It was a really good meeting. You can usually see the cheaters coming when all they do is focus on how much money you can make rather than how awesome the product is. I do however want to point out that there are some companies that use MLM <B>and</B> are legitimate. Pampered Chef and Mary Kay are two that come to mind. Some, like my brother Jared, might think that I love MLM because I say it is not <I>always</I> bad. That's not true. While I do say it is not <B>inherently</B> bad I still will not become involved with it. That is for other reasons.Salemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430040871898663311noreply@blogger.com